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Would you prefer a Saturday or Sunday Tournament

Poll ended at Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:56 pm

Sat 20th October suits me fine
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I would prefer Sunday 14th October myself
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Re: NSW Open 2012

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Babs wrote:Personally, I think Chess Clocks is the 'fairer' system. It also highlights which player is contributing to the slowness (or if both are!)

However, the NAF will support whichever system is stipulated in the tournament rules as decided by the tournament organiser - and the official NAF line is that there is no official NAF line on this matter (i.e. no preference).
You're probably right that chess clocks are a 'fairer' system. Not too many people can get a hold of 30+ chess clocks to use for a tournament though. You're also introducing a system of timed turns for everyone when it may be that the vast majority of people don't need them and the clocks become just another extra thing to have to deal with.

For example, at SSB this year, outside of my games (I'm not a very fast player and almost all my games started late due to me running the tournament and playing at the same time) only 2 games were put on timers out of 66. Only 1 game was called early (was not one of mine thankfully! :)) and that was due to a combination of the game starting late and it involving a player that had only ever played 1 1/2 games of Blood Bowl at that point.

So for the vast majority of games timers were not needed at all. Definitely interested in hearing how the 'field test' goes though.

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Re: NSW Open 2012

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As mentioned in that 'other' post which we are all referring (yet noone can be bothered to link to), you don't need 30+ clocks. You only need 10 and if a tournament organiser sees games running slow can put them into play on those tables only.

Hell, if the trials go well (and I'd want more than one tournament to trial it) I'd be prepared to see if Lycos was willing for the NAF in Australia to buy some sets for us to use. I'd just need someone to cart them from tournament to tournament (*cough* like D_arquebus *cough*).
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yep at a small tournament its good to see how they go with everyone... but for the bigger ones they would be there for people to request or for late running games.

And Im just really keen to give em a try. I'll be putting a spot on the scoresheets for time elapsed which I will post after the tournament so people can see how they were affected.
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I think the presence of the chess clocks will mean they may not be needed.

That & the abscence of beer....... :)
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Olaf_the_Stout wrote:
Rabid_Bogscum wrote:I don't consider the time set up to be part of the ruleset per se, I'm assuming you haven't been blind to the requests gfor. The use of chess clocks in tournament feedbacks . I may have borrowing access to them so this seemed an ideal tpurney tp give em a whirl
Oh, I definitely saw that conversation a while back. Since I didn't see any negative feedback from EucBowl this year about games being called early I figured that whatever measures put in place there were enough.

Still, there's no harm in trying something else to see if you can't make it even better.

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Yes despite only two games getting called early all tournament, we had some surprising feedback about the need for chess clocks. We aren't entirely sure it's necessary but we are willing to give it a trial run.

Personally I see it causing nothing but friction and grief, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
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I don't see how it will effect anyone who plays a quick game, the only people it will bother will be the slower players.
iI like the idea, and look forward to testing it! :D
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Babs wrote:As mentioned in that 'other' post which we are all referring (yet noone can be bothered to link to), you don't need 30+ clocks. You only need 10 and if a tournament organiser sees games running slow can put them into play on those tables only.

Hell, if the trials go well (and I'd want more than one tournament to trial it) I'd be prepared to see if Lycos was willing for the NAF in Australia to buy some sets for us to use. I'd just need someone to cart them from tournament to tournament (*cough* like D_arquebus *cough*).
Ah ok, so this is a test run to see how it goes, but generally they would only be used in cases where games are running slow or people have requested them. I could see that working much better than having an entire tournament on them every round (which I think would be overkill).

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Sounds like fun. Count me in. Do I need to do anything pre-tournament? Or can I just show up, pay cash, and write up a team on the back of a hymn book?

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Greetings old buddy... Bring the roster all organised I'd prefer we aren't delayed by all sorts of mucking aroujd but yeah pay on the day is the route we are going down
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Sweet. I think my roster is going to be based on what figures I can find. The joys of moving house. Hopefully I was organised enough to put them all in the same box. The tricky bit is going to be find 'that' box.
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Well, I've almost finished painting enough figures for team 24, so I'm looking forward to it. :)
I don't see how it will effect anyone who plays a quick game, the only people it will bother will be the slower players.
i like the idea, and look forward to testing it! :D
Couldn't agree with you more Grimrod! I do have some four minute egg timers I could always bring with me as well...

Babs, I'm assuming you're still going, what time Saturday morning?

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got the box of chess clocks... and worked out how they work...:) im excited
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Still can't believe you're going to make me use one......
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theres only 10.. so if theres more than 20 people you wont be.

im really interested to see your times
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I'm faster than the Lance Armstong of 1999-2005 ;D ;D
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tribalsinner wrote:I'm faster than the Lance Armstong of 1999-2005 ;D ;D
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I'll buy a sinwell bracelet... It's important to just get the word out rather than spend money on a cure
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im surprising myself setting up tournament manager without Ian.... anyone know what races they are bringing so I can preset it
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Yeah I have Chaos Dwarfs not slann.
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nice.. bringing some A game
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