AWW #39 - Avalon - Bad Guys Win

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Re: AWW #39 - Avalon - Mission 2

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Well since the first mission was successful it makes sense to put them back together. The party only failed when Foad was included.

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Lol Hutchie. It’s not rocket science when you are claiming to be a role that knows who everyone else’s roles are at the beginning of the game!

That reply raises my doubts though. You say it’s not rocket science and I have all but shouted your suspected role from the rooftops but instead of providing us good guys with a confirming and comforting reply, it felt a little like you are still trying to work out roles rather than you knowing them. It’s a nagging doubt but I’ll sit back on it for now.

Everything stays the same for now in my opinion. If you are the other good guy Olaf, send you, me and Hutchie. If it fails then it either completely confirms the roles for me OR I have it utterly wrong, if it passes we win.
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Oh and it is interesting that Hutchie flat out accuses Whitetail of bad guyyery (again tots a word) but Whitetail says nothing...
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Sorry guys started a new job today and only on lunch now.

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Oneeye. I have been open and forthcoming throughout this endeavor. Provided strategies for the party and volunteered when I knew the last mission would fail.without me.

There is nothing more I can do until I am put on a party and vote pass.

I would also like to add that D. Has been unhelpful during discussions. Has not been on any parties yet is willing to cause disruption. Foad. Once put on a party the mission failed. Has posted little in the way to give me any inkling as to his role and a very quick party decision without discussion caused me concerns.

Oneeye and Olaf are appearing to me to be the only members to pass a mission. So are my first choice for the next one if I am not put on it.

Please advise the list for choosing party members. Am I last with the first leader picked at random?
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@olaf - i should hope youre not picking 3, as this mission is for 2 only ;)

@OneEye,- refresh me with a direct quote if you please, when I ever claimed to be a good guy because I was Merlin? You seem to consistently overlook the fact that the 2 Bad Guys also know who the Bad Guys are, as in the person who would not vote down a dodgey Quest team would know that one was a Bad Guy because they know each other... you also seem to be claiming send 3... am I on the only one who read the briefing at the beginning?

@WTS - you are looking less like pretending to be deliberately clueless now, as everyone else seems to have caught it as well. Maybe cluelessness is as contagious as the Rona? It remains though, that of the two of us who should have voted down the party, you didnt. And you have been steadfastly playing like a rookie from the beginning. I doubt this is true, so have to assume you are doing it to obfuscate being a bad egg with being a rube. Regardless, I know I am a good guy, and doubt the doulebluff, unless the Bad Guys were naughty and colluded away from the party as they shouldnt. So be process of elimination you must still be a Bad Guy as I feel only one of the 3 sent last time was a Bad Egg.

@Foad - remains absent and quiet. Life is busy, but he certainly blasted in to nominate himself and then scoot. And he's been back to vote twice....
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Hutchie... how on earth do you get that I am ignoring the fact that the two bad guys know each other??? I actually could have sworn I mentioned it somewhere in a recent post but a quick look shows me nothing but all my posts early this morning clearly take that into account!

But regardless of all this, I KNOW I am a good guy peasant and with you constantly throwing shade my way, i don’t see how you are the Merlin I think you are or else you would know who I am and you wouldn’t keep doubting me. This just got difficult for me.
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How about addressing a proposal for a team of two then? Like the rules spell out?

If I am throwing shade it is because you are being shady. You deliberately avoided picking Foad first round, knowing that his hand would largely be forced with a successful mission to pick those two again. Then Foad joins and it fails... if that was you, it was a devilish set up...

Regardless, @FOAD - some input please sir as to what happened with your rushed selection, and the mission itself...
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Deliberately avoided picking Foad?!?!? Why because you suggested him? That makes it shady but it's not shady to avoid picking you or Whitetail when it was first night and a complete shot in the dark as to who was who?

Ok so i am wrong about Hutchie being the Merlin which is fine because i based that around him being the only one to vote no. Doesn't mean he is not a good guy BUT he is constantly throwing shade and accusations at myself and Whitetail with seeming glee which suggests a bad guy trying to confuse everyone. Again though without convincing proof that i'm a good guy it's just adding to the confusion for the other good guy peasant and with zero input from Foad and not much from Olaf, this is going nowhere.
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Oneeye. I have mentioned that exact point on numerous occasions now. I am thinking the guys guys are you. Me. And I cant be sure about Foad or Olaf. Although Yourself and Olaf are the only ones to successfully complete a mission.

Based on that I would support yourself Olaf or myself on the next mission. Foad has not posted enough or even explained what happened from the last mission to change mu opinion.

Over to you Foad.

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I meant good guys. Stupid auto spell.

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Ok, in the interests of keeping this moving, I think this will lock down for me which of One Eye and Foad is a good guy, leaving just 1 bad guy to be figured out between Hutchie and WTS.

Olaf and One Eye to go on the next mission
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can everyone PM me if you are ok with this party?
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@Olaf: I wont jump the gun Hutchi! I wont call for a mission before discussion. So much for elaborating on your reasoning Olaf... You were going to give us all the gift of your critical reasoning, as you said you would. Instead you remain quiet and call for a vote... so much for finding out who was putting forward what teams as options. This is very damaging to the cause....

@OneEye. I provided reasoning, based on the timing of who was going to select the next Quest Team/s as to why Foad was a good shot in the dark to help start narrowing the options. I also volunteered myself. Can you really fail to see that you absolutely forced Foads hand by selecting Olaf and then one of you playing possum? Foad gets shut down on any vote that doesnt include the two of you. And Outs himself as a bad guy to select from WTS or myself as he is claiming he is NOT a good guy, i,e one of 3 Good Guys on a 3 man mission. But tell me again, how it is just "random" and makes no difference who you pick. I've been calling BS on that from day one.

@Merlin - be advised I will be voting to proceed anyway. unlike some cretins in this team who claim to be good guys I understand you need to remain hidden. If the Assassin finds out who you are then he murders you at the end and the Bad Guys win... to do the Bad Guys work of trying to reason out who exactly you may be isnt suss at all... no.... Im 90% certain this will fail. Obviously you are 100% certain. But I feel the good guys have not much choice but to let a demonstration that OneEye or Olaf are crooked be made to beat some sense into some heads around here. One of them is a bad guy. The other is convinced of his own Good nature. So a theoretical Merlin and I cannot stop this anyway. Dont out yourself by voting No on this one.
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🤣 I like that you think only you are working to keep the Merlin safe Hutch!
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Good morrow my fellow quarters.

I bid the well.

D. It appears to me that if I was to only read your posts throughout the last two missions. It is 4x bad guys against yourself. I am not sure if I can find a post where you haven't supported or discussed options.

You have provided alternative actions and if those actions were not followed then the other players are clearly bad guys.

Your reasoning at times was logical however, not entirely helpful and indicates to me you are in fact a bad guy posing as a good guy. You have played these games many times over the years and you know how to manipulate and maneuver through a discussion.

I am still stuck on Oneeye, Olaf and Foad as two which ones are which. With Foads minimal posts and the party failing when he joined the mission it's hard to take a reliable decision on his alignment.

I invisage a successful mission today and that will secure my suspicions for the final missions to succeed. I will vote myself into the group so there is the three good guys needed to win.
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Sorry, guys smashed at work.

OneEye + Olaf passing, then OneEye, Olaf + Foad failing can mean 2 things.
The first mission had a bad guy in it and was thrown to confuse.
The first mission didn't have a bad guy and had a bad guy added.

If I'm a good guy, I have to vote this one down either way.

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Foad... thanks for pretty much announcing you are a bad guy before the vote is even announced :D I mean i read what you just posted as you stating for your second example that both Olaf and myself are good guys in the first mission and the bad guy was added for the second, which was you!

All three good guys vote this through. Simple point is that a pass or fail with this team gives us so much more information than any other team configuration so if you are one of the good guys, you want as much information as possible right now so we can figure this out. We still only have limited information to base our decisions on right now but considering a pass vote here gives us some definitive answers, it's our best play.

Get our votes in and let's move this game forward regardless! Getting stale.
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I think this team has to be run to collect information.

If this team goes and fails, than we know that either you or Olaf are bad guys.
If this team passes, then we know I'm a bad guy.

If this team goes and fails then we know that:
1), At least one of you two are bad guys
2), both of you could be bad guys
3), realistically I'm not even vetted as I could be a bad guy, and one of you two could be bad guys.
4), it effectively means that Hutchie and WTS aren't the bad guys. This gives us an 11% shot.

If this team passes, then we know I'm a bad guy (40% chance), and you have a 25% of winning. Those a terrible odds.

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OneEye and Olaf hop aboard a Knar, heading to find some fine weapons for their task. Their comrades see them off from the pier. "Don't make me say I told you so", mutters Foad.


So the mission goes ahead... 4 votes to 1. With foad dissenting.

Can oneye and Olaf tell me whether the mission is successful?

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